Ep. 52 The Stern Truth: Stop Fighting the Chaos with Diana Dinh

Diana Dinh, mom of four, financial strategist, and business owner, is my guest on this episode. In her life she has found that when trying to make everything easier, that’s what can actually make things harder.

Her advice is to take things as they come. Diana is a great example of that, with four kids, a husband, and her own business. She says don’t fight the chaos. See it as it comes and deal with it.

As a mother/business owner, Diana saw a gap in the networking space for young professional moms like her. She closed that gap when she created Mama Masterminds, an intentional community where business-minded moms have time to connect and bond over something as simple as a pizza.

So HOW does she deal with it all? For her, it boils down to the four S’s. Self, strategy, systems, and support. Admittedly, at first, she wasn’t an expert at balancing all these S’s. The inner work that she’s done is something she credits as helping her be successful.

Our discussion gets into the “act as if” mindframe. If you’ve never heard of it, it’s easy—act like the person you want to be. We even play a game where I shoot her common business terms, and she explains the “act as if” behind it.

Diana gave us so many golden nuggets from this episode. Make time for the things that are important to you. If it’s meant to be, it’s up to me. And a special message to the mom entrepreneurs is to recognize how much power you already have in yourself.

Want to connect with Diana? Check out her Facebook group, her podcast, or connect on LinkedIn.

Mama Mastermind Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/officialmamamasterminds/about/

Diana's podcast "Mama Masterminds": https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/mama-masterminds/id1721418663

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsdianadinh/

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Transcript

[00:00:00] Marshall Stern: All right, my friends. In today's episode, I sit down with an amazing business owner. Her name is Diana, and she's a mom of four, and she has her own business. She does lots of other things. You think you have a busy life – check this episode out. 

[00:00:14] Diana's going to actually talk about some strategies that she uses to clear some of the chaotic moments that life can bring us so that she can not only focus on her business but also have the time to focus on her family. Grab a pad of paper and pen. You're going to love this episode, I'm telling you. Enjoy.

[00:00:37] Hi, I'm Marshall Stern and I've spent over 35 years leading and growing multiple small businesses. I know firsthand the struggles of entrepreneurship, feeling isolated, lonely, overwhelmed, and feeling like you have to do it all by yourself. I've been through multiple recessions, and I have felt the highs and the lows.

[00:00:56] I've been there, and I get it. This podcast is here to change that. Every week I will bring you straight talking advice, real world strategies, and honest conversations about what it takes to succeed in business without the fluff, the gimmicks, or the sugarcoat it. If you're ready to stop spinning your wheels and start making real progress, then you are in the right place.

[00:01:20] This is the Stern Truth. 

[00:01:24] Alright everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Stern Truth Business Unfiltered. And today, my friends, we have another special guest, which I've known for actually quite some time. Diana, how are you? 

[00:01:37] Diana Dinh: Good, good. How are you? Thank you for having me. 

[00:01:39] Marshall Stern: My pleasure. We – I don't know if we've met, but I know I talked to you on the phone way, way back, probably 10 years ago or so.

[00:01:48] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:01:49] Marshall Stern: In one of your previous roles, previous journeys. Tell us a little bit about everything you're up to right now. 

[00:01:57] Diana Dinh: Oh my goodness. Oh, like, I don't even know where to start. I'm doing a lot. So I am, first and foremost, I'm a mom of four young kids. My kids are 5, 7, 10, and 12, so that's like a full-time job on its own.

[00:02:11] Professionally, I'm a financial strategist, is what I like to call myself. So I just really believe in just empowering people around money. I just realized that it was such a, like an intimidating topic for people. And I really kind of set out a few years ago to just make it approachable. I'm like, you know, it didn't need to be the suit and tie type of thing.

[00:02:31] And, and so that's, that's kind of my day job, I guess while, while the kids are at school. And then on top of that, but I guess it kind of ties everything in together, is that I've been building a community, for moms in business. I just realized through running my own business that there was kind of this gap for, for moms to kind of have a space to network with each other, to learn and to do it in a place that that felt like we were understood where especially in something like the insurance and finance world, like it was a lot of, a lot of men.

[00:03:02] To be honest, it's a lot of younger professionals that maybe don't have kids, or it's like retired people that aren't in the season that I'm in. And I just found that I was really craving that connection with another mom who understood. So I just, I started this thing, it's called Mama Masterminds and it's, it's grown.

[00:03:18] I was actually looking at the Facebook groups the other day and we have like 200 members in there, over the last year. 

[00:03:24] Marshall Stern: Wow. But that's awesome. Yeah. I love the name Mama Masterminds and just the whole idea of bringing these, these amazing women together. What would you – when you're in these, in these masterminds, are these, these are in person?

[00:03:39] Diana Dinh: They're in person. Yeah. I've done one virtually just because I can't get to all the places that the moms were like, oh, come here, come here. And, and so we tried one virtually, which was really nice, but I mean, like, I'm really craving human connection. And what I've seen when we're doing these events is like, that's what people want right now too, is they just want to gather in person.

[00:03:59] So I've been doing them like once or twice a month. 

[00:04:03] Marshall Stern: That's awesome. That's awesome. And when you get together, is it like, what do you all talk about? Is there, is it a structure or is it just a free for all? Yeah. 

[00:04:13] Diana Dinh: Yeah. And, I mean, this was kind of a learning experience for me too. Because initially I actually started this back in April 2024 when I had my – I think at that point she was three, but I had my little one with me.

[00:04:24] And I'd never done daycare, preschool, any of the things. So whenever I would get out to an event, it was like I had to find childcare and, and I got to this point where I'm like, I just want to be able to like, take her with me and meet people. So I actually started popping up at play places. Oh my gosh.

[00:04:38] So I started popping up at play places. I was like, I'm going to pick four play places. I'm going to go to one every single week, and if you're a mom in business, just come and join me. So no plan, no structure, and just like a hope that somebody would come. So I, I did that all of the month of like April 2024.

[00:04:59] And I think the first one, like, I had three moms come, we were at a sushi place that I knew had like a play area, so I'm like, you could bring, I brought my toddler, she just played and then I, we just, we just kind of chatted, which was really nice. The second and third one was at a play place, which was the worst idea in the world because we were chasing babies the whole time.

[00:05:20] So someone came and I kind of got their name and then like her baby was gone. And then my toddler was gone. And then we were just like, we were at Go Bananas, which – 

[00:05:28] Marshall Stern: Yeah, I know. 

[00:05:30] Diana Dinh: Yeah. Which was just not a good idea. And I think the last one I went to was like a, like a bouncy house place, which again, was an awful idea.

[00:05:38] So I kind of just like, I nixed it after that. I was just kind of like, okay, let's just, you know, I'll drop it. I didn't really do anything with it. And then I had a friend who actually owns a cafe in Richmond and we were kind of talking about it where I'm like, you know, I still have this, like – I think you know this.

[00:05:54] So like, just as an entrepreneur, I'm like, I just, I had this like vision or this itch that like I needed to do something with this. And I was kind of talking to her about it where I'm like, you know, I really want to just, like, meet other mom entrepreneurs and want to create this like space for them. And she was like, why don't you do, like, an official event at my cafe?

[00:06:11] And this was November, 2024. So I, I kind of launched the Mama Mastermind and after, I don’t know, my marketing genius, I was like, this is a perfect name. Let's get together, let's, like, grow. Let's talk about things. So the first one we had was more of a, just a conversation. And we had eight women that came, but we all kind of just sat around the table.

[00:06:32] We ate lunch, and we just talked about the things that I think people don't talk about when it comes to – and this is what I, I loved about your podcast when I was listening. I'm like, it was just like an unfiltered, raw conversation about business, motherhood, your relationship, communication, the guilt that comes with running a business and being a parent.

[00:06:53] And it really just kind of, like, set this fire in me where I'm like, women – and, because everyone that came and everyone that ended up leaving, they were like, I needed this. Like I really needed this space. And then to me it was like confirmation that it wasn't just me that needed it.

[00:07:09] And so I did that. We did another workshop style and then a couple of months in I was like, let's try speed networking because you know, a lot, like – I'm, I'm super chatty, so a lot of times I would connect with one person at the event and I would talk to them for two hours and then I would leave and be like, oh man, I wish I talked to more people.

[00:07:27] So I tried this thing out where we did speed networking, where the intention was still, we're going to have the conversations, we're going to connect with like-minded women, but we're going to get to talk to a lot more people because I'm going to force you to move on to the next. And just, it was so amazing, like just seeing people connect.

[00:07:45] They're getting contact info, they're collaborating, they're making plans for play dates, and then they're doing it to the next person. And by the time you walked out of that room, you just made 10 new friends that were in the same season. So we've been doing that now for the past like five or six months every single time.

[00:08:02] And it always goes really, really well. 

[00:08:04] Marshall Stern: Nice. No, I love that. And in fact, we introduced – I think we were there for, in our last Connect and Collaborate, right? 

[00:08:11] Diana Dinh: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:08:12] Marshall Stern: And actually it was because of you that I decided to do it because I remember talking about the – you mentioned the speed networking and I had done, I thought about it in the past, you know, Connect and Collaborate.

[00:08:21] We used to do it weekly during the pandemic, and then we went to monthly, or biweekly, then monthly. And it was just – I would do breakout rooms if there were enough people, we'd go into breakout rooms, but it was just one time, and then someone would come back and then you would introduce, you would, you would introduce your partner and they would introduce you.

[00:08:39] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:08:41] Marshall Stern: But this was –  I mean. I didn't enjoy it like everyone else did because I wasn't in it. 

[00:08:48] Diana Dinh: Yeah. The first time I did it on, and actually the last one that we did, we just did Maple Ridge a couple days ago in person and we were an odd number, so guess who automatically gets booted out? It's you as the host.

[00:08:58] So I just ended up sitting in different conversations where I'm like, I'm going to hang out with you for seven minutes and then I'm going to go sit over here for seven minutes. But I, I just find that people go to these things because they want to connect with more people and just being, and it's funny because we hosted at like a pizza place in in Maple Ridge and when I was leaving she was like, what's your secret?

[00:09:20] She's like, this thing just keeps growing. And I see groups come in and try and create communities and do this, but like it doesn't last. She's like, everyone that leaves here is, like, super happy. They're talking to each other and I'm like, I think it's, I think it's the structure. I think it's because it's so intentional that my goal is to get you to connect.

[00:09:40] And I am, I'm facilitating that instead of just throwing everyone in a room and being – I'm sure you've been to, I've been to events where it's kind of like, a, you're just lost in the sea. It's like you registered, okay, here. You come in and you're just like, okay, what now? 

[00:09:53] Marshall Stern: Yeah. Yeah. Well you're looking for a friend. You're looking for someone to know. It's uncomfortable. 

[00:09:56] Diana Dinh: Yeah. A friend or friendly eyes. Like I used to wear really fancy shoes to networking events because it made people come and talk to me so I didn't have to be the one to go out and talk to them. So like it was, people would always be like, oh my God, your shoes are so nice.

[00:10:08] I'm like, thanks. That's my icebreaker. Because it's so awkward. 

[00:10:12] Marshall Stern: Yeah. It, it, yeah. It really, it really is. And a lot of people I find are also out of practice because we were, it was shut down for so long, and then people got comfortable with doing this, like the, on the screen, which, which I still do because I have people across North America North America, sometimes the world who come into our different events.

[00:10:29] Which you can't do if it's local, but there's a need for both. But in person, yeah, in person. It's magical. Okay. So Mama Masterminds, four kids, your business. You know, the next question, let me – 

[00:10:44] Diana Dinh: Yeah, I feel like I could – 

[00:10:45] Marshall Stern: How?

[00:10:46] Diana Dinh: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's such, like, a – I don't want to say loaded question, but I'm like, there's so much, there's no secret, like there's no one thing that I could be like, Marshall, like this is it. This is the whole reason that this all works together. Like there's so many different pieces that I've learned over the years that I've kind of just like trial and errored in my life that have helped make it easier.

[00:11:09] So like, I don't think it's ever going to be easy. I don't think running a business, a community, trying to make the impact I want to make, raising four kids, being a daughter too, like our parents are aging. Like, I don't think it's ever going to be easy, but it can be easier than it is because of certain things that I can kind of implement.

[00:11:26] So, I mean, I've, I’m kind of funny like that where I kind of like made my own framework. It all kind of clicked to me one day, and I don't know if I, I talked to you about this, but I have, I have a framework. because at one point I thought I would teach this because I, I genuinely just want to, I want to lighten the load for moms out there, especially ones that are running a business.

[00:11:45] I'm like, anything I can share with you that'll make it easier for you, just like people have shared with me to make it easier for me is like, that, that doesn't do any harm. But I'm very systematic, so I'm like, I want it to make logical sense when I – I'm not just going to like word vomit on you, all the things that I've learned over the last six years of being an entrepreneur and raising little kids.

[00:12:05] But it kind of, it kind of boils down, I think to, like, four categories that I sort of try and put my focus in. And kind of coin them the four S's. So there's self, there's strategy. There's systems and there's support. And I found that when I was just starting out, I focused a lot in one area. And I think a lot of people, when you just start a business and you're trying to integrate it in your life, you're like, strategy.

[00:12:33] Strategy. I need a strategy. I need a strategy. I need a social media content strategy. I need a business strategy. I need a, I need a strategy. And when I was kind of in that mode and not paying attention to any of the other things, there was a lot of friction. It was really hard. And I think eventually I started to, like the other pieces kind of fell into place naturally as I was learning over the years.

[00:12:55] But when I sat back one day and I'm like, how is this all happening? I'm like, it's because these things are all in place. Like I have a strategy, I have systems in my business and in my home lighten the load. And then I have a great support system, but I've also led them to support me. I am not just, you know, people talk about the village all the time and I like, I have a podcast episode on this where I'm like, support is not just going to show up at the door.

[00:13:22] I am very intentional about crafting my support system so that I can do what I need to do. Because it's not less important than everything else, and moms are really notorious about putting ourselves last. But I've made sure that, like, my system also supports me because what I do is important. And then on the self side, and, and self is something that I think, especially in the realm of moms, we kind of – I don't associate self with like facials and bubble baths, right?

[00:13:49] I think that's where most people go when they think about self. I am thinking more like identity work. I've done a lot of identity work and I think, especially for a lot of moms that I meet, that they have a certain identity that doesn't match where they want to go in business and like, I don't – it looks like you have a thought about that.

[00:14:09] Marshall Stern: No, no, no. I'm taking notes – yeah. 

[00:14:11] Diana Dinh: Yeah. And I think this has been the biggest shift for me because I'm like, I could have all the other stuff in place, but if I don't identify with somebody that is actually going to be able to do it, it's not going to get done. I don't care what strategy I have, I don't care how supportive my husband is.

[00:14:25] It doesn't matter what systems I have in place. If I'm still sitting here like, woe is me, I can't do it. I'm a mom. I, I can't because you know, XYZ, you're not going to do anything. And, and that's where the self bucket comes from, is I work a lot on myself and my identity because I'm like, I show up as that person that can do it all.

[00:14:43] Seemingly. Not, it's not glamorous, but like, I, I can do it. 

[00:14:48] Marshall Stern: So it's more, it's, it's kind of like the mindset part, but it's more than just mindset. It's the, it's a lot of work. It's the inner work. 

[00:14:55] Diana Dinh: It is the inner work. I think that I, like, mindset was kind of the tip of the iceberg and then it kind of into even just, like, embodiment and like character and really like, because I think mindset, like I can think a certain way, but it's like the act as well.

[00:15:09] Like on, on the back end of it is like, I can think like, oh, about like even just like working out and stuff. It's like I can think that, oh yeah, I want to be healthy, and I can have that mindset of knowing that that's good for me. But I think the identity work is actually getting up and doing it, even if you're not the type of person that had done that in the past.

[00:15:27] Marshall Stern: Right. 

[00:15:29] Diana Dinh: That's really where I think things really started to shift for me is they started embodying the mindset and actually putting in the actions they, they call it like “act as if”. 

[00:15:39] Marshall Stern: They call it, which, sorry?

[00:15:40] Diana Dinh: I don’t know if you've ever heard the term, like, “act as if”. 

[00:15:43] Marshall Stern: Oh yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:44] Diana Dinh: But like, I guess kind of like that is when I started acting as if, where I think again, because it's like, yeah. I don't want to always bring it back to the mom conversation, but I think as a mom of four young kids, like in my head, the image I had of myself was very different than the visionary CEO leader that I wanted to be.

[00:16:05] It was the hot mess express. At home, late for school, forgot the lunch bag, all of that. And I really had to work on that identity. And I, I think that's been the biggest, when someone says, like, how – I'm like, if, if I had to only give you one of my four S's, like that would be it. 

[00:16:21] Marshall Stern: That's, that's really, really powerful because, so many times, like I – and with my coaching clients, I'll work with them. 

[00:16:29] When I work with them, one of the things I will say in different, in a different way, but it is to act as if, right? Like, if you were, your business was, you know, a lot of people, if they're struggling or they're not fully booked, whatever, they're a marketing strategist and they have a lot of space, they only have a few clients, what, how would you be showing up every single day?

[00:16:48] What would your life look like if you were fully booked, if you had a successful business and everything was the way you wanted to be? What would it look like? What, what are the activities you'd be doing? And it gets people – and so it is power of “act as if”, because act as if you're the – I mean you are the CEO of your own business, but you we, we downplay our role a lot of times, yeah, we 

[00:17:07] Diana Dinh: Yeah, we do, we downplay it. And I think it's like acting as the future self versus the current circumstances because the circumstances will catch up, but the circumstances aren't going to craft that identity. Like I think, I think people don't realize that you actually, you have to do that.

[00:17:22] Like, a lot of people are just waiting for, like, the big case to roll in before they would act as if. When I started acting that way, the big cases came. 

[00:17:31] Marshall Stern: So – of course the, my landscapers decide to show up as we're recording this. 

[00:17:38] What would you say then? Okay, so, you know, okay. I'm just going to, we're going to play a game here. I'm going to throw it a term. Okay. First time I've ever done this, throw it a term. Let's see what you come up with. 

[00:17:49] Diana Dinh: Okay. 

[00:17:50] Marshall Stern: This is the, the famous one. I don't have time. 

[00:17:54] Diana Dinh: Hmm. I – it's funny because people say this to me, more, more asking me, how do you find time? I get asked that all the time.

[00:18:04] So I think it kind of goes hand in hand with what you were saying and, and my answer is always the same. Or I'm like, I didn't find it, I made it. Like, I didn't, I have every excuse in my back pocket. The things that happened in this house, like you, I should be crazy, but I made the time because it was important to me, like, you have the time.

[00:18:25] I don't find time for squat, and I always say every single time, how do you find the time? How do you find the time to run events and, and post every single day on social media and do all the things you do? I'm like, I didn't find it. I mean, I was up at 5:30 this morning because these things were important to me.

[00:18:42] And I think it's such a myth that people think that, like, time is something that's, that you have to find. I'm like, time is time. Like we all have the same 20 – I hate saying that we all – we don't have the same 24 hours. I have four kids, so we have different 24 hours. But like, I think, I think you'll make time for the things that are important to you.

[00:18:59] And it, it's a really, it's just an excuse. 

[00:19:01] Marshall Stern: So I want our listeners – so one thing that we do in the Stern Truth is, I'm always looking, digging for those golden nuggets. So I want everyone to, to just take that in because that's a mind – I'm also of a mindset shifts and that's a shift. 

[00:19:16] Diana Dinh: Yeah.

[00:19:17] Marshall Stern: Instead of looking for time, you know, I don't have time as negative. Because it's scarcity. So what do you have control over? Make the time. 

[00:19:26] Make the time. So that's a shift. So that's a huge golden nugget that I really do believe, because I hear it all the time. Oh, I, you know, because I do 1:1 and I also do group programs.

[00:19:36] It's like, oh, I wish I could take your program. I don't have the time. I wish I could do this. Or I don't have the time. I wish I could get my business to the next level, or –

[00:19:43] Diana Dinh: Or they don't have time. 

[00:19:44] Marshall Stern: Or they don’t have time. Okay. So I love that. Make the time. Next one. Big one. This is a big one. Probably the Mama Masterminds world. And – 

[00:19:52] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:19:53] Marshall Stern: I really want work life balance. 

[00:19:56] Diana Dinh: I don't, I don't believe in work life balance. I don't say it anymore. I'm, I'm not looking for balance, especially when you're a mom or I think even when you're just an entrepreneur. Like if you're an entrepreneur, even if you don't have kids, I don't think there's going to be a balance.

[00:20:08] I've, I call it harmony. I'm not looking for work-life balance. I just, I want harmony. I don't want it to feel like there's, like, a ton of friction. I just want it to feel like my life can kind of ebb and flow with my business and my life as it's fit for that season. Like there's some days where, because I guess work-life balance makes it seem like, oh, I'm going to, like, turn it off at three o'clock and then I'm like there for my kids.

[00:20:32] That's balance. But there's days that, like, I have to take calls in the evening. And, and it would feel, I guess off balance or unharmonized if there was friction there. But because my family understands how I work, what our goals are, what I'm doing, what the collective vision is, there's no friction.

[00:20:51] So even though maybe I worked a longer day to day, and I, I spent less time with the kids, more time on the business, and it's not balanced, it was, it flowed. It felt okay. Like, it didn't feel like there was friction there. So I don't think you're ever going to find a balance, but I think you can do it in a, in a way that feels good for you and your family.

[00:21:12] And I think especially as an entrepreneur, like, are we ever really going to detach from our businesses? Like, probably not. Like I, I know that I can't, that's hard for me, but I guess I came to terms with, like, I'm not trying to balance it and put it in its own little container. I'm just trying to make it support our life in a way that feels good.

[00:21:30] Marshall Stern: Okay. That's great. Sounds wonderful. And I agree with you a hundred percent. I don't, I don't believe in work-life balance either. I like the harmony part. Okay. But let's go deeper now, because this is, this – 

[00:21:45] Diana Dinh: I was like, you're fishing for another question. Yeah. 

[00:21:47] Marshall Stern: Guilt. 

[00:21:47] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:21:48] Marshall Stern: Because it sounds like it's easy. I know it's not. I know it's not. I'm just, I'm prodding. I'm prodding. Right. Yeah, it's, it's not easy. Right. So what about the guilt part of it? 

[00:21:57] Diana Dinh: Yeah, there's always guilt. Like I feel guilty 24/7. I'm like, I feel guilty because I should have replied to something earlier today. I feel guilty because maybe I'm entering an email and my son's trying to show me something.

[00:22:10] I feel guilty all the time. And I think it just, like, I'm not trying to cancel guilt. Like I, I guess it's one of those things again where I'm like, I've just come to terms with it. Like I think that you have to, as a business owner, like you have to realize that there's going to be feelings that are going to be there.

[00:22:27] Like I think that where the struggle comes from and, and I kind of like that we went down this rabbit hole because I had this realization before in motherhood was like, I'm trying to fight the chaos. Like, I have four young kids, and when I started this business, I didn't even have the little one yet. So I'm like, I had been an entrepreneur through pregnancy, through newborn, through all of it, and where it gets really hard for me is when I'm trying to make it seem like it's going to be easy.

[00:22:53] Like if they're crazy in the morning and somebody spills milk and it's chaotic getting them out the door, it is so much harder for me if I'm trying to make it easier. If I'm trying to be like, oh, I don't want you to yell. I don't want you to scream. I want you to wake up happy. I don't want you to spill anything.

[00:23:11] I don't want you to have forgotten your lunch in your lunch bag, and now it's moldy. Like when I'm trying to resist what life just is in this season. It makes it so much harder for me, and I think it's the same thing with business is when you try and when I sit there and I'm like, I don't want to feel guilty, I'm just giving myself more of a hard time than just recognizing that like, hey, it's kind of shitty that I can't pay attention to you right now, but you know what?

[00:23:39] Give me five minutes. And then I will be right there and that, that makes things a little bit –  

[00:23:45] Marshall Stern: Okay. Gosh, my dog barks in the background. Because she's, she's like crushing back on, on all of this too. It's easy. What are you talking about ,you go online, you click on Facebook or LinkedIn, or not LinkedIn as much.

[00:23:58] Instagram, TikTok, and, and you see all these experts and these moms and these dads and they got their laptop and they're on a beach and they're a happy family and their kids are living the life. They're on a, they're in Italy on a boat and –

[00:24:12] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:24:13] Marshall Stern: Businesses running and it's just beautiful. Isn't it? Isn't it just great? 

[00:24:18] Diana Dinh: Yeah. It's just, it's a highlight reel. Like I, I post the highlight reel too, but I do try and be as real as possible because I recognize that every time I share a story, like, I literally go on like decompression walks after dropping them off in the morning.

[00:24:32] Like that is how bad it is. Getting four kids up, ready dressing out the door at 8:30 in the morning. I have to go for a walk because I'm so anxious and I can't work after because I can't sit down at my desk and turn it on five minutes later. Like, I have to get that out of my system before I can get, and I talked about this once on stories and someone was like, I, you like, your life is crazy in the morning.

[00:24:54] I'm like, everyone's life is crazy in the morning. Like, it's just, it's just life. But I recognize that that's, that's how it's going to be. I've done what I could to make things easier, but, I mean, to some level it's not going to be perfect. And like, that's, that's okay. We can, we can breathe and move on. But like social media, it's all, it's a highlight reel.

[00:25:12] Like even for me, and people find it so surprising, but I'm like, no. Like I have my struggles. I don't attach my self worth to them. I don't let them fully affect my business and my day because my kids not wanting to get up in the morning has nothing to do with how I'm going to produce during the day. But I've, I think that's one of the big things is that, that I've kind of made that like differentiator where like, that's not – and I made it in motherhood before I made it in business where I was like, the chaos does not have anything to do with who I am, it's just the chaos.

[00:25:44] Marshall Stern: Right. But, okay. So here's the thing. So we might have talked about this before when we had our chat earlier. You had a career before you had kids.

[00:25:54] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:25:54] Marshall Stern: I find that it must be even harder when I'm talking to, I guess the other moms out there and dads too – okay,  I'm not excluding them – who never really had, they weren't in business or they weren't in like a solid career.

[00:26:10] They had kids and then they started it after. So they kind of identify, and I guess it goes back to that sort of how they identify themselves as moms first. And then there's the business side of it and it's hard to disti – for them, it probably is harder to distinguish and separate because their identity is a mom or a dad, as opposed to, I'm Diana, I'm the business owner.

[00:26:35] I'm the professional. Here I am a, this - right? I'm a mom, I'm a wife or a partner, whatever it is. Right? 

[00:26:43] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:26:43] Marshall Stern: Because it is all about expectations too. That's what we talked about earlier, like if you expect things to be easy – and this is not just people who have kids. This is for just business owners. Period. 

[00:26:54] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:26:54] Marshall Stern: If we expect things to be easy, if we expect things to be like we see online, we're going to be disappointed. Because we're going to be striving for something or, or if we expect to have business, business life, sort of the work life balance, we're going to be disappointed. 

[00:27:09] But I liked what you said earlier that you expect it to be, I don't know if you used the word expect, but you know, it's not going to be easy, you know, it's going to be difficult, you know, there's chaos.

[00:27:19] Diana Dinh: Yeah. I just come to terms with it. 

[00:27:20] Marshall Stern: You’ve come to terms with it. 

[00:27:21] Diana Dinh: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:27:22] Marshall Stern: I thought that was very powerful. You've come to terms with it and you manage it and your, your four S’s, your framework probably is a huge way, like both at home and the business to sort of manage that. 

[00:27:33] Diana Dinh: Yeah. Yeah. I mean like, and it's never going to be perfect and it's saying, because I was actually listening to Alex Hormozi this morning.

[00:27:40] And he kind of talked to, he kind of spoke to this because he was like, it's always going to be hard. That's what he said. And this man's built, like, he did a book launch that did like $105 million. Like he's just, he is, and entrepreneurship wise, like I feel like he knows what he's talking about.

[00:27:56] And it's going to be hard. He's like, no matter what, life is going to be hard. He's like, but if you had to kind of, he – I guess he, he explained it like, if you had to give up your life savings for a dream. Wouldn't you want that dream to be as big as possible if you had to give up your life savings?

[00:28:13] And he kind of spoke to it the same as like your time and like the struggle where he was like, if you're, if life is going to be hard anyways, wouldn't you rather go through the hard for something really, really epic. And unconsciously, I was like, that's what I've been doing. Because I'm like, because I'm like, why not?

[00:28:28] Like it's going to be crazy no matter what. Why not make that crazy worth it? And just do everything that I've ever wanted to do because no matter, even if I had no business, it's still crazy. We have four kids, like no matter what, I think it's still going to be chaotic. Why not go after my dreams and just, just, just live in that?

[00:28:49] Like it's okay. 

[00:28:51] Marshall Stern: Okay. So I'm assuming you have – I mean, support is one of your strategies or one of your four S's, right? So I'm assuming you have a good support system around you. 

[00:29:01] Diana Dinh: Yeah, I do, but I mean, it didn't come naturally. 

[00:29:05] Marshall Stern: Okay. 

[00:29:06] Diana Dinh: And I think this is something that people do need to hear because I get this thing, like my husband's amazing.

[00:29:13] Like I've been with him for almost 19 years now. Like, he knows me. He's a very, very supportive, but I'm also a great communicator. And what I would find is I would have friends that would be like, oh, your husband is so great. My husband doesn't do this, my husband doesn't do that. I'm like, I would not tolerate less from him.

[00:29:30] And I don't say it in a, a naggy – I don't want to say the, the B word, but I'm like, but I'm not, I am, I respectfully communicate with him. So when I need something, I tell him. I don't expect that he will know. I don't, you know, I, I just tell him, I'm like, hey, I have a meeting tonight, 7:30. It's with a client.

[00:29:52] Can you take the kids out of the house? Okay. But what I find is a lot of women aren't asking for that, and then they're resentful that it doesn't show up at their door. And this is the thing where people talk about the, where's the village? Where's it? You have to call them. They're not. They're not. They will not.

[00:30:11] And I think if we sit back in life, in support, in mother – like, whatever it is, and we sit back and we expect things to come to us. They're not going to, like, I – if I need something, I'm going to ask for it. And, and I will ask for, respectfully, because that's the only way that this works. And I remember once, like there was, I guess some pushback with my husband.

[00:30:32] Like, we don't fight a lot, but obviously like we're, we live together, we're, we're going to have arguments. And I remember telling him one time, like, you are the one person that I don't want to be afraid to come to. And when you kind of, I guess, talk to me in a certain way or make it seem like I, you know, I can't just, like ,share my thoughts like that's not okay with me.

[00:30:53] I need to feel safe enough to share whatever I need with you. And he is like, noted. Okay. And, and we have a great communication system. Not because I had that conversation, because I was brave enough to do that, where I find a lot of women, I couldn't say that to my husband. I'm like, why? That's your husband.

[00:31:09] That is the, the person you're supposed to, like, I'm not afraid to tell him anything because why, why should I be? And, and that's I think, the foundation of a great support system. But did he just show up one day and just be like, tell me anything you want, I am a safe space? But, no. Like, yeah. Kind of had to lead that.

[00:31:25] And it's this kind of thing about being the CEO of your life. It's not just your business, it's your life, it's your household, it's, it's leading your family. And I've, I've really recognized that and I lead them in a way that also supports me and my business. 

[00:31:41] Marshall Stern: Yeah, I, I'm hearing a theme here. It's just naturally coming to me, but really, and I've been talking and posting about it too, right?

[00:31:50] Because we are coming, as we're recording, this is coming to the end of the end of 2025, going to a new year. But the theme I'm getting is make it happen. It's on you to make it happen. 

[00:32:01] Diana Dinh: Yeah, that's honestly, it's one of my, I guess, core philosophies is, is if it's meant to be, it's up to me and –  

[00:32:07] Marshall Stern: I love that.

[00:32:08] Yeah. 

[00:32:08] Diana Dinh: The other one is just, it's my fault no matter what. If it's good, if it's bad, I don't care. It was my fault. 

[00:32:15] Marshall Stern: Yeah. 

[00:32:15] Diana Dinh: And it's ownership, right? It's 

[00:32:17] Marshall Stern: not just owner, it's ownership, but it's good. Like people, people don't want - it's accountability. That's what a leader is. Yeah. Taking accountability. But the good thing, what I love about it.

[00:32:27] Whether it's good or bad or whatnot, it's my fault. It's taking ownership. You have control over that. 

[00:32:32] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:32:33] Marshall Stern: And so many people out there, especially now, it's been a rough little while. The economy. 

[00:32:39] Diana Dinh: Yeah. We can't blame COVID anymore. You guys, it's been five years.

[00:32:42] Marshall Stern: Can't blame. Yes. But the economy for a lot of people, the economy, you know, it's down for a lot of people, right?

[00:32:48] But a lot of people are blaming the economy. Oh, the economy is this, the economy's that. It's this, it's kind of – the biggest one post-COVID, I heard from Facebook groups I run and clients – “I can't find good people.” I can't find good people. There's nobody out there. Nobody wants to work. Sure, there's probably some truth to some of that.

[00:33:05] And yes, the economy's down, but what, how did you put it? If it's meant to be, it's up to me. 

[00:33:10] Diana Dinh: If it’s meant to be. It's up to me. And I think, and I, I was talking about this, I forgot where, but I'm like, there's so much proof that you're wrong. Like, I think especially in the world we live in today, like I, I know for people looking at me and it's actually a big reason that I show up online.

[00:33:25] Because I want you to see that it's possible. Because so many times when I told myself I couldn't do it, I'm like, I have a mom friend who has five kids. She does, just, I don't even know how many businesses she has. So it's like any excuse that you're giving me, there's somebody out there that has already proved you wrong.

[00:33:43] And, and I see that as such a big possibility where, and you know, when you say, oh, there I can't find good people. I'm like, but there's proof that all these people have found good people. 

[00:33:52] Marshall Stern: Yeah. 

[00:33:54] Diana Dinh: So, is that really true? 

[00:33:55] Marshall Stern: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:33:56] Diana Dinh: Like, no. 

[00:33:57] Marshall Stern: No. Well, it's one of the things that, one of the exercise I do with my clients when, and it's something you do like people who have anxiety, this is like a, a therapist approach is, if it's like limiting beliefs for someone or they don't think they can fight good people, they can't find this, they can't find that, or they can't do this is three questions that you ask yourself.

[00:34:16] Is this, is this true? So especially it's really powerful with, like, limiting bleed or imposter syndrome, right? 

[00:34:21] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:34:22] Marshall Stern: Is this, is this true? That's the first question. Second question. And then the answer's usually yes. That's what we think. 

[00:34:30] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:34:32] Marshall Stern: Second question is – is this really true? 

[00:34:35] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:34:36] Marshall Stern: And then the third question, do I have proof?

[00:34:39] Diana Dinh: Yeah. That's so powerful. I think I went through this exercise before with somebody and it really helped me make that shift because she's like, where's the evidence? 

[00:34:49] Marshall Stern: Where's the evidence? 

[00:34:50] Diana Dinh: Where's the evidence? And it was more of just like, write down all of the negative things you think about yourself. 

[00:34:55] Marshall Stern: Yeah.

[00:34:56] Diana Dinh: And then where's the evidence in that? And like most of them, I'm like, there's no evidence. At all. So I mean, that's such a powerful thing for people to go through. And like people don't, that's not a common thing, but I think once you've done the exercise, you're like, yeah. Like it makes you think a lot differently.

[00:35:13] Marshall Stern: Yeah. Yeah. And our - we know our thoughts, our thoughts affect our actions. I mean, that's just. It's just the way it is. Both good and bad. 

[00:35:24] Right. you know, obviously the, the news we watch or don't watch, the people we surround ourselves with, you know, the, Jim Rohn – I love Jim Rohn and his thing, you know, his big thing was you're the average of the five, five people you spend the most time with.

[00:35:37] Diana Dinh: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:35:38] Marshall Stern: Your income, your, usually your weight, your look, or your health. All of it, your mindset, your pocketbook. 

[00:35:46] So, okay. You've given so many golden nuggets through here. What, what would be one – there's so many questions I have, but I'm going to ask this one. If they're, whether it's a mom, mom has a business or dad who has a business or just a woman business owner or a man business owner, whatever, it doesn't matter.

[00:36:06] Business owners out there and they're looking for some inspiration, guys, just things are not, haven't been working. 2025’s coming to an end, it hasn't – actually, let's speak to the moms. Let's speak to the Mama Mastermind. Potential Mama Mastermind. So before I forget, so you also have a podcast, is that right?

[00:36:24] Diana Dinh: I do. And you're really inspiring me to get back on it. But it was more of a place for my, my thoughts to live because I just, I felt like I had so much to share and I, like, I'm in the insurance and finance business, I can only rant so much on that page, so I'm like, let me give this a house to just live, because if I can just like, I guess it's what I was looking for.

[00:36:44] It was like business advice. But for moms, and, like that, that conversation. 

[00:36:50] Marshall Stern: Well, okay. So yes. Get back on it because I think it is really – 

[00:36:54] Diana Dinh: Yeah, I will, yeah, there's like six episodes and after we kind of chatted, I'm like, no, I got to get back on. And, and I think it was just putting pressure on me to do it weekly, but I don't have to.

[00:37:00] So I'm like, I'm going to get back out there and start doing it because I do think that this conversation is needed.  

[00:37:06] Marshall Stern: It definitely, definitely is. And if it's up to you. What was it saying? You said if it's meant to be? 

[00:37:12] Diana Dinh: Yeah. If it's meant to be, it's up to me. Up to you. 

[00:37:14] Marshall Stern: Yeah. So you have to make it happen.

[00:37:15] Okay. So that's good. We're going to look forward to your next episode of that. So it, you said about, having these, this, this podcast to give business advice to moms from business owners. Okay. Give us something, give us one golden nugget to a mom business owner right now. Who's trying to balance it?

[00:37:36] I mean, you've given so many already. 

[00:37:37] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:37:38] Marshall Stern: Trying to balance it all. Feeling like –  

[00:37:40] Diana Dinh: Like going through my Rolodex of things that I like tell people on a day. But you know what I actually, I, I'm funny like this, where, you know, we talk about acting as if I wrote a TED talk for myself. Because I'm like, I'm going to be on that, on that stage, because I have a message to share.

[00:37:56] And if I had to leave, I guess, mom, entrepreneurs, or women in business with kids, I know we were going to talk about that with, with something, it's to recognize how much power you already have. And I think a lot of moms are out there seeking something outside of themselves in order to be successful, but motherhood is like the ultimate, like, leadership container.

[00:38:22] And when I had really had that insight where I was like, I am beyond capable because I gave birth to four children. I can get them up ready out the door fed with a healthy, hot lunch in their bags by 8:30 in the morning. I remember everyone's birthday in my 20 person family. I've, like, I've just, I've done, there's so much proof that I am capable, like I can run on 45 minutes of sleep.

[00:38:52] You know, a small child has puked on me and I haven't even flinched. Like why am I scared to make a phone call? Why am I scared to show up on social media? Why are you scared as a business owner to do anything when you've given life? And, and when I started to kind of see those parallels, I was like, why am I playing so small?

[00:39:10] Why am I so scared? Why am I so afraid of what people will think? If somebody said something about my child, do you think I would like that, that, that I would care what their opinion is? Like when my mom was like, oh, you should formula feed, instead of like, I didn't care. I just did what I felt was best for me.

[00:39:26] But in my business, if someone's like, oh, that's kind of cringe, I'm going to stop. Like, I think that mothers are already the, like, just most powerful entrepreneurs, but they're not putting that identity on where, and, and I know you kind of spoke to this where you're like, what about the ones who were moms first?

[00:39:43] I'm like, you have all the same skills, capabilities, qualifications, that any entrepreneur, you're just not seeing it that way. So what, I guess my biggest mission in the world is to help you see that parallel, because when I did, I'm like. I can do anything, like nobody will underestimate me because of the things that I am capable of.

[00:40:05] Like, I will smoke you if I put my mind to it. And, and that's how, because I'm in a very male dominated industry and I had somebody kind of say that to me before and I'm like, watch me, because I know what I'm capable of. And that's, I mean, that's the big, that's the message. That's the TED talk. 

[00:40:21] Marshall Stern: That's powerful.

[00:40:22] So where does this – before we go, I, I'm just – where does this, this self-belief, this passion come from? Like, the passion for yourself and your abilities. Where does it come from? Has it always been there, like growing up? 

[00:40:35] Diana Dinh: I don't know. I think it really, I think motherhood really fueled that fire.

[00:40:40] Like when I look at them, I'm like, I did that, I did that. And I know like, because you're a parent too. Like I want so much for them. It's like when people talk about living for something greater than yourself, like that is parenthood. And when I look at them and there's four of them, so I'm like, I had to work extra hard.

[00:40:57] There's so many of them I'm, like, I want so much for, and I don't just want, like, a bunch of money for them and like, you know, trips and stuff. I'm like, I want a different world that they live in. Like, I have three daughters. I want them to grow up not thinking that, hey, I can't do something because I'm a mom, I want them to grow up thinking I can do anything I want.

[00:41:17] Because I'm a mom, because I saw my mom do it. Like that's, I think what really, really fueled me is I see them see me. When I launched that podcast, they, like, rolled down the windows at school. They're like, my mom has a podcast. I'm like, it has two streams. But I love you. Thank you for being proud of me and like they're so proud of me.

[00:41:34] And I just, I want to continue to make them proud. I also obviously want to set them up financially for life and all of the things, but I'm like, I just want you to live in a realm of, like, infinite possibility. But it starts with you. Right. I can't tell them to do that and then not do anything like –  

[00:41:51] Marshall Stern: You're model, you're modeling.

[00:41:53] Diana Dinh: You have to, because kids don't, they say like, they, I can't even, like, I can't think of the saying now, but it's like don't do what you say. They do what you do. 

[00:42:01] Marshall Stern: Yeah. 

[00:42:02] Diana Dinh: And that, that's been one of my biggest drivers. I'm like, I'm the bar. I'm setting the bar for their entire future. And if that doesn't fuel you, I don't know what will.

[00:42:12] Marshall Stern: Yeah. Yeah. No, I, it – that's very powerful. That's very powerful. And, and also it's, I mean, it's not just, it's not just moms. 

[00:42:22] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:42:23] Marshall Stern: In business, it's, you know, it's dads too. I don't want to downplay dads. 

[00:42:29] My daughter's probably my biggest fan when it comes to like – 

[00:42:32] Diana Dinh: I love that. 

[00:42:33] Marshall Stern: Actually, my son too, when it came to the podcast.

[00:42:34] He, he actually, it was my son's friends, like all of them started following the podcast and posting about the, they're in university and it's like, okay, I have a whole university crowd.

[00:42:41] Diana Dinh: I can't wait for my kids' friends to find me on Instagram. Just… 

[00:42:45] Marshall Stern: You know, and to hear your son say, oh, you know, my friends think you're cool, like that kind stuff.

[00:42:49] But honestly it's really showing the way, I mean, we have, it's the next, you know, it's cliche-ish, but it's the next generation. And really, really, it's all about showing up as leaders, which is what you're doing. And, yeah, your, your kids are very fortunate to have such a strong role model.

[00:43:12] And, and also I'm sure it's not, they don't, they, they're not just seeing the good, they see the other side too. They see the hard days. 

[00:43:19] Diana Dinh: Yeah. And it's such a big part of it where, like, I communicate with them a lot and like I said, and I'm not going to, like, toot my horn, like I'm this master communicator, but I've learned that like nobody can read my mind.

[00:43:31] Even the kids. And even from a very early age, like I've talked them through everything. Even like, you know, when we were moving it was like, what? Where, where are we going to go? What's important to us? Why are we doing this with our finances? Like, I'm super transparent with them, but in business where I'm like, you know, I went to a thing and it wasn't what I thought it was going to be, or I launched something and it flopped.

[00:43:53] Or I started the podcast and then I stopped and like, they, I think especially as parents sometimes too, we feel like they, they're like hindrances to our performance, but my kids are like my biggest fan. 

[00:44:05] Marshall Stern: Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:44:07] Diana Dinh: Like they really, they really are like, I don't know, I'm, I'm like, I'm not, I don't use them as an excuse.

[00:44:11] It's more of like, they, they don't want me to not do the things that I'm, they're, yeah, they're huge. They're huge fans, but. 

[00:44:18] Marshall Stern: And you don't want them to come to you and say, mommy, why did you stop the podcast? 

[00:44:21] Diana Dinh: Yeah. They call me out. It's like, off now. They're like my little accountability partners, which is terrible.

[00:44:26] They're like, did you send that thing you said you were going to send? I'm like, not yet. It's like, yeah. Or they'll ask about the Masterminds and they've been to the Masterminds. That's why I started. Right. Because I wanted to be able to bring them with me. But when I host them now, they're like, how many people did you have?

[00:44:40] Like, did you meet anybody new? There, so it's like, it's, it's nice to include them in it. Which is, I guess, kind of goes back to the harmony thing where I'm not trying to compartmentalize, right? All like, we're in this together. They play a different role than I do. Obviously. I say this about my husband all the time too.

[00:44:57] It's like, I remember having one of my biggest months in, in my finance business and, and he joked around where he's like, oh, are you going to tell people it's because of me? Because I had to do a speech about it, like, at our brokerage, they wanted me to speak. And he's like, oh, are you going to talk about me?

[00:45:10] And I was like, you know what? I think a huge reason that I did hit those numbers was because of you. Because you took all this mental load off of my plate in order for me to, like, do what I need. So like in, in my mind, this isn't Diana's business, Diana's mama Mastermind. 

[00:45:24] Like, it's our, it's our whole family that's working towards these, these goals and we really treat it that way, which is why it doesn't feel, I guess, as hard as it used to. 

[00:45:35] Marshall Stern: That's awesome. Okay, so, I'm going to put, if I may, your, the – I'll link to your podcast. 

[00:45:42] Diana Dinh: Yeah. 

[00:45:43] Marshall Stern: In the show notes. If people want to reach out to you or if they're interested, maybe in the Mama Masterminds. When's the next, when is the next one? Do you have one set? 

[00:45:50] Diana Dinh: I do have one set. We're going to go next Tuesday, the 25th. I'm not sure when you're going to post this, but November 25th we're doing Chilliwack. I'm going all the way out to Chilliwack because they've had moms out in the valley that felt excluded.

[00:46:01] So we're going to go there. 

[00:46:03] Marshall Stern: Okay, nice. 

[00:46:04] Diana Dinh: I don't think I'll do it regularly, but I'm going to go and then December 4th we're going to do Richmond, but we're actually sold out. Which that's awesome to me. And then I'm, I'm thinking about doing a holiday party, but I'm not like a hundred percent sold on it yet. So, I mean, I guess the best thing to do would be to, and I know you can, you can put the link in the show notes and all.

[00:46:23] We have a Facebook group, because people are always like, oh, when's the next one? Am I – I can't physically message everyone and be like, hey, this is our next one. So if you're in the group, you get to see the posts and, and the upcoming events that are happening. 

[00:46:35] Marshall Stern: Okay. So that's the best way. Okay. So we'll get that from you and then we'll post that into the show notes.

[00:46:40] Any last parting words of wisdom, golden nuggets you'd like to share? 

[00:46:45] Diana Dinh: I don't know. I think we went through a lot. There was a lot. There was a lot. So I'm like, I know, I know. So, I mean, I guess at the end of the day, just, I want, I hope people know how capable they are. 

[00:46:55] Marshall Stern: Yeah. 

[00:46:56] Diana Dinh: Like, you know, if it's, if it's meant to be, it is, it is up to you, but you could, you have everything inside you that you already need.

[00:47:04] Marshall Stern: I 100% agree and that, my friends, is the Stern Truth. What Diana just said is the Stern Truth. So Diana, thank you so much for joining us here. 

[00:47:13] Diana Dinh: Thank you for having me.

[00:47:24] Marshall Stern: I know people are going to want you back, so if you're, if you're good with that, I'd love to have you back in the new year. 

[00:47:19] Diana Dinh: Yeah, I'd love to. 

[00:47:20] Marshall Stern: And because I'm sure there's a lot more, we just scratched the surface.

[00:47:24] Diana Dinh: Yeah. On my tip of the iceberg. There's lots, there's lots more in there for sure. 

[00:47:27] Marshall Stern: Perfect. So Diana, don't go away. I'm going to just, for now, just say goodbye to everyone and we'll see you again next week. I want everyone, actually, before we go, before we go, I want to hear feedback. This is on YouTube. This is on Spotify and Apple and Amazon and all that kind of stuff.

[00:47:44] Wherever you're watching or listening, comment below, share this with people that might benefit from it. And you can always send direct feedback to me, marshall@marshallmarshallstern.net. But I just want to hear at least one –  there's been so many – one takeaway, one insight that you, the listener, have received from Diana and her amazing wisdom.

[00:48:05] So Diana, thank you and we'll see everyone again next week on another episode of The Stern Truth Business Unfiltered. Bye for now.

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